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If any of us ever win the lottery, don't forget the best way to spend the moneys!
You don't need to change your name.
We're not being invaded, we just had a small influx of people since last night who have to register to be able to post their questions about what happened to Seed .
And even if we are, why are you worrying, Sandling? If it gets too bad we can always just ban everyone like we ban just about 10 spambots each day .
Without the GM-team and the stories we had going on, with the devs accomodating us and developing new graphics and content for them, there's really not much of a game to play, though.
Because the RP and the stories, that was really the game.
We're having people over on Wednesday. We -could- possibly reschedule that, but I'd really rather not.
(And I'm also having lunch with someone that afternoon, so if we play during the evening I won't be worth much).
So there won't be any rescheduling to another day this week?
(see the post above yours).
(updated my char profile, and I'm vain enough to bump the thread so next time everyone will know to see a new Ishi when they 'look' at her )
Well, I don't know what my character knows now, and in the opposite direction. All kinds of stuff I should probably know IC, I have no idea of. I don't like it.
I'm all for optional transparency.
I'd go on transparent by default, for instance, and I could always tell the GM when I feel I shouldn't be in a certain scene, right?
Saturday for me too.
Both are good.
I don't have any appointments until september.
And Sunday too.
I only ever heard the elitist thing from other RPers. So, by RPers about other RPers. So I didn't count it in the general misconceptions about RPers. I didn't know non-RPers also said that about RPers.
Feel free to discuss the topic here.
A link to the article:
http://dev.seedthecommunity.org/index.p
p;Itemid=1
The article's intro:
I’ve heard quite a few, and I’ve found quite a few others that I hadn’t heard myself. Strange ideas about what RP is, and about the people that engage in RP, are rampant.
She means she wants to know that, in the epic story (that the book is based on, as well as the film) who did the hero of that story kill?
Esme was entirely correct!
One of those big, oblong crates, that they also load on trains and boats, to transport cargo.
I forget the name in English.
Well, maybe it's the same as in Dutch, it's certainly an English word we use for it : Container?
There may be a lot of "Stunningly Beautiful" women out there, but I see a lot of the guys aren't exactly homely. The only ones who aren't incredibly good looking are mutated/scarred/somehow hideous- one extreme or the other. RPing is a form of wish-fulfilment, and how many people, deep down inside, want to be "Average"?
Likewise, I think the "Slut" stereotype comes from the same place. Men playing a Slut are acting the way they wish real women would act, Women are acting the way they would never dream of acting in RL but still fantasise about anyway.
As for gender- I've never played a Female character either in an MMOG or tabletop RP. I need to identify with the characters I play on some level, and I just can't seem to manage that with female PCs. It probably doesn't help that there are a couple of RL friends who play female characters very badly in Tabletop RP, which probably put me off even trying it myself.
I just don't know why people think they need to look beautiful to have a non-average char. By the whole nature of what you're doing you know you're char isn't going to end up average anyways, even if they are average in all ways that they can be (looks, skills, personality, etc). They are going to be in a non-average situation and lots of non-average stuff will be happening to them. And in most of those games they are outright super-powerful to begin with (everyone's a hero in most MMOs).
And besides, when all the chars are either stunningly beautiful or hideously ugly, your gorgeous or ugly char will hardly stand out of the crowd anymore! There were so many of the beuatiful chars in WoW that I got really bored with it, and my own regular-looking char actually drew more attention. By that time I had stopped making gorgeous chars for a while already though, so it wasn't even sought-after attention. It did result in many people asking me for RP tips for some reason.
And the looking beautiful and the overly dramatic stuff happening to their char fails to make their chars more interesting, it's usually just annoying.
I think people do need to forget about / stop thinking constantly about having to portray a different gender, when they want to play a char of the other gender.
I think the identification problems also stem from that in part: people think too much about now being a different gender. I see a lot of people having "Oh my god I need to portray someone of a different genderthan me, gotta act girly, gotta act GIRLY!" type reactions. Not to mention that their idea of what acting girly/being a woman means is usually the kind of stuff that makes you wince when you have to watch it (stereotyping etc). (same goes for women playing men, only that happens a lot less often).
I don't usually play a male char, but when I do, I just play a personality, I would do very little, possibly nothing, different than when I play a female char (possibly apart from the sexual orientation of the char, I would probably make a male char attracted to female chars, not other male chars. Or maybe not, but with so many RPers still shying away from (male) gay relationships in RP, even though they should be able to separate RP frpom RL better than that (:P), my char would likely be destned to a lonely life, and I would feel so sad for it).
I also think a lot of those lesbian relationships come from those male players assuming that the other female char is RL female, no matter that their own char isn't either, and that it's much more likely that the other female char is RL male too. Not (just) that they want to live out some fantasy. You see it so often, them finding out after a while that the other player was also male, and the relationship getting quickly broken off. And also in female/male RP relationships, the RL male player asking you for your gender, because they don't want to RP a relationship with a char if the player behind it is male.
And to the seducing of a female char by a friend, are you sure it was cybering he was after?
I would make a distinction between people after cybersex, and an IC relationship progressing from fairytale-romance-no-sex-involved to one where sex is a part of it. Not everyone does RP sex, but then you can just talk to the player of the char that your char is involved with and get both your standpoints clear on it. If one of the two doesn't do RP sex, you can always just imply that the chars are having sex without playing it out.
And add to that, that they may actually fit very well into a comicbook setting . Finally a place where you would actually expect to find them?
But yes, the point was that a lot of people playing the stereotypes, often don't realise just that (not to mention a lot of people around them). You could be doing it on purpose of course, but I think a lot of people playing obvious stereotypes are trying to play / thinking they are playing, realistic, well rounded personalities. Even if they're not flat chars, that doesn't make them anymore realistic personalities. Of course, if they keep developing as characters during the time the player plays them, they may end up a lot more non-stereotypical than they begun.
Some people do act that way IRL, but those are usually people you look at and wonder wth they are doing, or you feel like they are taking life as a soap series.
And I took examples from Seed just as much as WoW .
There actually were a lot of good RPers in WoW (and I still count my Victim friend as a good RPer despite the horrible character he portrayed there, seriously, she made me ill, you just wanted to slap her around and yell at her to grow a spine), but the sheer number of people meant that there was a high number of all the bad stuff too. It was certainly a bigger pool to take experiences from than Seed, but that you could find blatant stereotyping even in Seed is kinda telling.
The female chars played by real women have so far more often been realistic than the female chars played by men (and that's not to say that all the female chars I know to have been played by men have been unrealistic), but they still tend to be so ingrained with certain notions from RL, that they fail to take that out of their RP in the gameworld which is often very different from RL, plus, no one is immune to the vanity. So far I have played, in all the online games I have played so far, with only a handful of female chars that did not look 'stunningly beautiful' (or other such descriptions). I'm still glad that in Seed there wasn't a FlagRSP kind of thing, or built-in char descriptions for the chars that you could choose to look at, or a forum or database where most people enthusiastically entered their char descriptions, or I'm sure the same trend would have shown up there.
Of course, that worked as a sort of mirror. You start to notice the trend, and note how it's actually kind of tiring, and then you remember that you tend to do this yourself just as well. And you can then adapt and stop doing that.
I wouldn't count a dramaqueen as a stereotype of a female character, because it can be for either sex, and it is more like a problem with a certain player. No matter what char they play (can be a realistic char mostly too), they will seek attention, will always need more heroic deeds, more tragic tragedies, the worstest butcherings in their past, etc, than anyone around them.
I count it as something that falls under more of a player-thing, like those players that insist on telling their char's whole life story when they first meet you, or the ones talking in Ye Olde English, because they think that is what RP is.
I knew probably the worst The Victim stereotype I have ever seen, anywhere, when I was playing WoW, but she was not a drama-seeker at all (He I mean, really, because guess what? Male player ).
And I also knew a terrible dramaqueen in WoW who played a very non-stereotypical character.
And it doesn't have to be intertwined with the victim, but perhaps the people who are dramaqueens often end up stereotyping their female chars that way?
And I do count it as slipping up for me, because it happens when I don't want it to, and I feel unsatisfied about it afterwards.
I've seen way too much of it in WoW -_-
But you got it in Seed as well. You really find it everywhere, usually even the really heavy stereotypes. Well, ok, you don't find the naked-dancing cybersex chars everywhere... but certainly in WoW.
And I'm actually still prone to slip up with regards to cliche/melodrama and a bit of stereotyping, so I watch it carefully. But generally I don't really care if people (and me) slip up now and then, as long as they're not one of those walking stereotypes .
hey cool! the first article in our community! great work!
The nature of the article does mean that a lot of this will be your opinion on the subject, but that doesnt really matter as you do have the right to state many of these things as facts (considering your gender at all )
I would have liked to have read some more in-depth tips on how to actually make a beliveable female char... I know I would be aweful at rp'ing a female character so if you got some more tips it would be great!
Again, great work and good to see you taking the initative to create the first (of hopefully!) many articles
A lot of it is my opinion, but I didn't just make it all up. There are a million articles about this subject already, so I didn't really do anything ground-breaking (:P), but I did verify what I wrote apart from the stuff that is just highly dependent on someone's opinions.
And then of course there is all the stuff I can take straight from personal experience, also on the mistaken side . I'm not guilt-free when it comes to RPing something at least close to a stereotype .
I think you will recognize a few people from ALFA in Haze, Darkhawk, people went to ALFA as the project Penitence (which was a sequel to Haze) was cancelled. The original Haze setting was really cool; think the TV show Lost set in Forgotten Realms.
Darn investors! I also remember there was an attempt to make a MUD/MUSH/MUSOMETHING with the Seed setting. Many of the systems in Seed would be very suitable for a textbased game.
And yeah, I actually played Soina and a few other (that I can't remember the name of). Didn't make a lot of noise though
It looks like Evolution is doing fine at the moment, Oluf. Most of the oldies have come back to SoR after a few months in Vanguard. Ryzom itself isn't exactly growing, many of the RP crowd left for LOTRO (!).
We have a text RP game going in the Seed setting, actually. There's a forum for it in the Recspace section.
Well, if you can opt for going solo, and you weren't going in there to find RP anyways, you might as well give it a try, right?
Even if you don't have to play with others, they can still bother you though. I don't know if the game is PvP heavy, but if the community is very bad there might be a lot of gankers.
Feel free to discuss the topic here.
Link to the article: http://dev.seedthecommunity.org/index.p p;Itemid=1
The article's intro:
Female characters are often portrayed badly in roleplaying. I’m going to give a short explanation of some of the most common things that go wrong, and also give a few tips to those people who want to portray as realistic a female character as they can.
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