31.1 is birthday of my niece.. I don't think I can play - sorry sad

I'm intrested - I'm not sure about free days though... I'll post later if I can find regular weekday from my calendar.


(5 replies, posted in Games Discussion)

I'm not sure. It's tempting, but your time preferences are such that I'd have to give up whole day. Theoretically I might be interested depending on what kind of game it would be.

Relay posts another link to public discussion with Healer about genetic engineering and its problems.

<Healer goes into an explanation using complex medical terminology. The main point, however, seems to be that it's too unpredictable and dangerous.>

I've asked the method with which Khitasang and his team chose current approach to ailment and here is the explanation.

<Khitasang explains in complicated medical terms the process of choosing the approach.>

I know this was already public knowledge, but I wanted to bring it back to public attention as it is related to my current question to the public.

I have expressed the idea on the researching alternative solutions to Tyler's ailment and as I am not specialist I'd like to hear someone give a estimate how much effort and research time it would take to even estimate feasibility of the idea?

Tyler's ailment has shown its teeth and I think that we do need to look into possibilities that might be overlooked. Since it is considered very likely by specialists that Ishi's immunity is genetical we shouldn't ignore possibility of engineering ourselves so that we all could be immune.  I think it is wortwhile idea to retroengineer our genomes to resist the ailment.

I might have some trouble being there - I will try to get rpgchat to work on my minilaptop.

I also have a another thing I have to do at the same time as the game is happening in middle of the day, but if chat works on my laptop that shouldn't be a problem.

For definitely (apparently) not true rumours.

Rumour-section should be anonymous within game.

I'll try to be there.

I've been thinking what different skills within STSC and here is idea what different skill-levels might mean.

I assume that TAU and powerlines are pretty much as good as they can get with AINNs being easy to use and very intelligent. Problems arising mostly from them not working due major failures in infrastructure.

Power Engineering
Connect almost any machinery to any available TAU energy source. Any necessary adaptations will be done by AINN unit in charge of the operation. Replace safely non-functioning power line with equivalent one. Advanced safety measures keep things nice and simple even for operations that in bygone days might have needed very advanced specialist or jury-rigging. Non-safe failures are almost non-existent unless caused by massive system failure.  Stuff just works.

Level 1
Connect non-standard equipment that isn't made by the Tower into power lines. AINN can detect and guess proper settings in almost real time and thus requires almost no direction, but sometimes there is need to understand theory behind failure modes that might cause trouble later. Guess a approximate lifetime of non-standard powerline connection - too much voltage, etc. Understand what kind of situations might warrant a more skilled power engineer to over see dangerous failure modes and how to detect such situations.
Change settings and communicate with AINN nodes to optimize power lines and connections.
Figure out with a help of local AINNs what kind of priorities different pieces of equipment need.

Level 3
Safely study non-standard equipment and analyze problems related to them - someone  has jury-rigged local power lines with a strange looking cable that apparently does nothing at all and with this skill you can figure out if it is really useless piece of equipment or safe guard against bizarre AINN failure mode.
Design and create a standard non-standard piece of power engineering - like jury-rigging cables for different priorisation without consulting AINNs that might have very good, but inconvinient reasons to prefer other priorities.

Level 5
Design and create non-standard piece of equipment that communicates enough information to AINN network to work well enough in general - it might have small bugs in say... priority for energy in case of a general failure, etc but will work very well even in normal tower conditions.

10 level
Understand why AINN is very, very often correct in its prioritization  and how TAU really does understand problems related to power engineering very well. Create a protocol for class of equipment that meshes with TAU network smoothly and correctly and has safe failure modes. Design power engineering solutions that are non-standard and have safe failure modes even in large scale emergencies.

Structural Engineering
Use safety lines, signs and guides to lead a generally safe life even in the Tower that is collapsing around you.  Listen to TAU suggestions about good uses for spaces around you. Use ready made doors and walls to create rooms, etc from empty spaces. Use equipment that has AINN node to create more spaces and add that space to general database within TAU so that it can advice you.
Level 1
Use non-standard piece of equipment in relatively safe way. Estimate safety of structure from simulations with standard equipment with AINN.

Hardware Engineering
no skill
Use any piece of TAU created equipment and interface such equipment with other TAU created equipment. Everything runs smoothly and has intuitive interface and communicates how it is supposed to be used through necklink, AINN nodes guesses what stoopid hoomans want to do and makes using and learning easier by modifying interface in real time to make interface more intuitive.
Guess what non-standard equipment is supposed to do with help from the TAU.
Level 1
Communicate desire to use hardware in a way that it is not supposed to be used.
Communicate a non-standard equipment API to AINN.
Read AINN generated diagnosis of system failure.
Use non-standard equipment.
Guess what non-standard equipment is supposed to do even without help from TAU.

Level 3
Create a piece of non-standard equipment that has a simple protocol that you can communicate to AINNs.
Publish non-standard equipment protocol for the TAU to use in future.
Understand problems associated with non-standard pieces of equipment and fix simple problems even from equipment you haven't created yourself.

Software Engineering
no skill:
Using AINNs, necklinks, TAU, etc for most purposes. Search and analyse data in TAU network with standard programs avaivable to all. Oversee data analysis done by intelligent software from the Tower. Script programs together in a very fast way as programs interface intelligently guessing what user wants - it is also possible to give a example of how target material is supposed to look like and TAU guesses how you programs are supposed to mesh. Understand most interfaces intuitively as intelligent programs adapt themselves to your natural interface.
You can create automatic schedules, etc given enough time and it is normal part of your work routine. Relatively intelligent programs can be used to alert you for AINN reported failure modes - they automatically use priorities to not to bother you during wrong times. Programs generally figure out who to alert based on user given priorities, his associates and TAU database of skilled inviduals.

Level 1
You can create your own programs and use ready made simulations and search routines to give them relatively good intelligence (from our 21st century perspective that is). Understand time and space complexity of programs and be able to use limited capability of the TAU to fake Turing oracles for programming purposes - TAU has a huge collection of programs that are ready for use and analyzed thoroughly and it can give a fair guess of if program is question halts within specified time-frame.
Know about different classes of programs within the TAU database and have a passing familiarity (with a help from the TAU) to almost all programs TAU knows about.
Access to the TAU and computation time makes programming easy. New problems without good simulations and massive amount of analysis are harder.

Level 3
Create a adaptive interface to your program so that it is easier to use for other people.
Design a non-standard complex program.
Design a real time data analysis program that adapts itself to new situations using TAU databse - actual programming will need time from mainframes as most of the heavy lifting is done by TAU, but program will pre-adapt itself to different likely enviroments and will learn from the actual enviroment to optimize itself even futher.

Level 5
Lead a group of Software specialist with access to computation time to solve complex and dreary problem that would have taken in 21st century about thousand work years from skilled programmers working in a efficient team. 
Solve simpler problems without very good access to TAU or computation time.
Use a non-standard software that doesn't have a adaptive interface.
Communicate interfaces and how they are supposed to be used to the TAU.

Level 10
Design a new kind of adaptive interface to programs.
Use advanced heuristics to create a semblance of intelligence without an access to massive amount of computation time.
Direct the TAU to analyze a completely a new kind of problem and create a simulation of it that is fast and highly relevant.

Generally Sunday mornings 8-14 local time OR 18-22 would be preferable.

I cannot any more promise being there. Same as Kryigerofe.

Actually my brother needs help with moving his stuff. I think I can play 19:00-> (finnish time).

Ok, I should be free to play on Friday.


(9 replies, posted in Steambaths)

This is a little bit late, but happy birthday!


(2 replies, posted in Steambaths)

Welcome back smile

I asked Ishi about her reasons to volunteer to be used as test subject instead of column six humans and she agreed I could post here our discussion about all this. I feel that this will help us all to understand each other better.

Here it is:

[14:25:44] Relay: "Ishi - can I talk to you?"
[14:26:54] Ishi: "If it's important... Someone else is talking to me to so I might not have full attention."
[14:28:08] Relay: "Are you volunteering to be used as test subject instead of column six persons? I would like to know reasons for it if possible if it is true. "
[14:28:45] Relay: "I desire to understand this situation."
[14:32:54] Ishi: "You can't come up with any reasons yourself?"
[14:35:10] Relay: "Yes, but they would be reasons I would most likely come up with. Humans reflect on themselves - we might be somewhat different and my answers could be very wrong. "
[14:36:47] Ishi: "Because this is as much a slippery slope as setting prisoners up as testsubjects. The people from 6 are people, even if they are clinically not alive at this moment, regarding brain activity. They have no choice in this matter. It is better if this is done to someone who volunteered. Remember that. It might be needed later on in these tests to and I might not be there."
[14:37:17] Relay: "I agree with you."
[14:39:06] Relay: "Knowing you've made that decision is comforting. "
[14:39:36] Ishi: "It won't be the last time someone needs to make it. "
[14:41:28] Relay: "No"
[14:42:01] Relay: "You are brave one. "
[14:42:38] Ishi: "Yes, I wonder..."
[14:43:49] Relay: "Tell me. "
[14:44:13] Ishi: "Nothing important."
[14:45:39] Relay: "Perhaps I will volunteer. Sometimes good play needs sacrifices."
[14:46:50] Ishi: "To be infected? Don't. Not now at least. They might need only the one subject."
[14:47:07] Ishi: "And you know even less well than I what would be waiting for you."
[14:48:07] Relay: "It is possible. What you did wonder is important to me to know."
[14:49:27] Ishi: "Not really"
[14:50:00] Relay: "Very well."
[14:50:43] Relay: "It is good to know you that volunteered for this. "
[14:54:46] Relay: "Could you write a explanation about this situation to TAU message boards? I do worry how this all will reflect on Khitasang and some of us volunteers and testsubjects are worried about you. "
[14:55:57] Ishi: "Feel free to post the contents of this conversation. If not I might explain later but I don't see how it's necessary. It's clear that I volunteered."
[14:56:26] Relay: "Very well. "


(27 replies, posted in Seed: The Second Chance)

I wonder what shennigans those SoFC are up to. Did you hear they all went to steam baths 'accidentally' as if no one realised that they were meeting there. Some secret plans - strategies for coming year perhaps.


You know about SoFCs secret meeting - I hear they had handler from Common Good with them there. Some grand scheme perhaps?


Tyler's ailments volunteers and other certainly take different attitudes to being test subjects. Some hardly appear to care about it.


<Timestamp slightly after Sebastians declaration of being willing to take any repercursions associated with their deeds>

What should we do with persons who declare their their guilt proudly?

Necessary evil is justification that slides us towards corruption - it is true that parties involved believe in their actions enough to admit their guilt in fortright manner when brought in front of the jury. Every necessary evil will make it easier to take another baby step to seeing grander purposes that just require a little bit more of deception and use of force.

We desperately need more openess to our society lest we have to cover in front of threat that we ourselves help to create. Information sharing is one thing that our tower appears currently to lack.

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<Timestamp is after Mizuki accused SoFC of arrogance>

Interesting thing Mizuki had to say. It is true that it is very human to be assured of rightness of actions one makes and to see evidence that supports it. Mere accusations do nothing to alleviate problems inherent in being who we are. It is part of our society growing up to learn how to best work with our own nature - we know much about ourselves, but we have to learn more. Speech Mizuki gave strongly highlights strength of idea Ishi presented.

Still our concern for communication is not the only problem we face - something has to be done about weapons and deceptions that threaten fabric of our society.

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<Timestamp clearly after simulator idea is presented>

This idea as presented is very good even if it is not feasible as such right now. We could make something that helps us to aggreate necessary information as simulation. - I will work on the project as needed if it is started.

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<Timestamp slightly after Ishis simulator idea>

I agree with Ishis simulator idea - it would give much needed perspective.

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<Timestamp marks this post written about the time Ishi started talking about her suggestion what should have been done>

We have heard example of what banality of evil means - it is ordinary inviduals that end up doing horrible things as part of power structure. If such structures are not held checked we will end up slowly seeing more hidden deeds of cruelty and harm where better ideas could be seen, but were not acted on. I commend Ishi for speaking up at least now - I believe that we all can act with necessary kindness if we are not too deeply ingrained in web of power, lies and deceptive necessity.

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